Today we are joined once again by Brian Sanders of sapien.org, marking his 3rd appearance on the Better Human Podcast!
Brian Sanders is the filmmaker behind the feature-length documentary Food Lies and host of the Peak Human podcast. He graduated from UCLA with a degree in Mechanical Engineering and then turned to technology and sold an app company. He’s used his technical background and love for fitness & nutrition to also work as a Health Coach and be the co-founder of the health, media, and technology company SAPIEN.
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[00:00:00] Brian Sanders: [00:00:00] This whole idea that, Oh, there's this shadowgovernment, or there's a secret cabal or like something there kind of is. Andit's not really that secret. It's just, this is how the world has always worked.There's always these people that have mass and insane fortune, and if you makea million dollars today, you're a compared to them.
[00:00:29] Brent Philbin: [00:00:29] All right. So here's the intro to today'sepisode folks. I get a call from Colin while I'm about to jump in the shower.And he's like, yo, we got a podcast and I'm like, I'm naked. And he's like openthe room. We're we're we've got Brian from safian.org coming back on the showand I'm like, all right. So within two minutes, I've got pants on.
[00:00:48] I've got a podcast room open. Igot a shirt on and here we are. So like I said, Welcome to the show. Brian,
[00:00:58] Brian Sanders: [00:00:58] can
[00:00:58] Colin Stuckert: [00:00:58] you give a quick intro because you know,
[00:01:02] Brian Sanders: [00:01:02] I'll tell you about myself. So yeah, I I'mmaking the food lies film. It's been three years. It's been a slow process.We're working hard daily. People, you know, may have heard about it on socialmedia.
[00:01:12] I'm food lies everywhere. Youcan check out YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, whatever Instagram. And yeah, I'm amechanical engineer and I, you know, changed careers a few times. My parentshad terrible health problems. I lost both of them at age 30 about, and I got seriousabout health. Yeah, I've been in a rabbit hole ever [00:01:30] since.
[00:01:30] So they, they were eating thestandard American diet. We were eating, but not another good. We we're eatingthe food pyramid. We weren't eating the
[00:01:36] Colin Stuckert: [00:01:36] standard American diet. They were trying tofollow what they were told is that thing.
[00:01:41] Brian Sanders: [00:01:41] Making all our food from scratch. We weren'tgoing to fast food. We weren't doing any of that.
[00:01:46] I mean, yeah, once a month itwas like a big treat to go to McDonald's. You know, this is a huge thing for megrowing up and we did the low-fat foods. We we're eating. I grew up in Hawaii,reading rice with every meal, you know, we're doing the healthy pastas with vegetables,all that type of stuff, lean chicken.
[00:02:01] They just gradually. Grew sickerover the years, gradually getting all these signs of insulin resistancehyperinsulinemia but of course it went undiagnosed. You know, they get the sortof the pooch, you know, the ballet, like I've actually been reading BenBeckman's book. Why we get sick? I just had him on my show.
[00:02:17] Is that good? I keep
[00:02:18] Colin Stuckert: [00:02:18] seeing that. I was wondering amazing.
[00:02:19] Brian Sanders: [00:02:19] Yeah. It's well, it's a whole it's it's theinsulin resistance. Hyperinsulinemia. Root of all chronic disease book, right.It's kind of bringing it all together saying this is the problems with insulin,which caused, which are caused from high blood sugar, which are caused by poordiet and lifestyle.
[00:02:36] Right. So it's all kind of allthe diseases that we're dying of. Are connected to this. And I think, yeah,that's really important. And a lot of it goes undiagnosed because it's kind of hardand expensive to test for insulin problems. And so, so a quick recap, iflisteners not familiar, your insulin controls your blood sugar, right?
[00:02:56] So if you have too much bloodsugar, you die. So you're eating [00:03:00] all this sugary foods and toolittle or too little or too little type one diabetics. So yeah. So you can testand have normal blood sugar, even if you have metabolic problems because yourinsulin's working so hard to keep that blood sugar down.
[00:03:16] But if you tested your insulin,you would see how high your insulin was. Yeah. So if that makes sense to, youknow, the average person it's like, you can go, they don't diagnose this typetwo diabetes until it's too late is one of the big things that professorBeckman and, you know, the food live seminar, all these things are, are goingto address.
[00:03:33] Colin Stuckert: [00:03:33] They not test for insulin is they're not like astandard insulin test where you can have ranges or whatever. Is it justrelegated to blood
[00:03:39] Brian Sanders: [00:03:39] sugar, basically? Yeah. I mean, you, you, thereis fasting insulin tests, but it's not common. The doctors don't know aboutthem. They're expensive. And to do a good one, it would require time.
[00:03:51] You can do something called acraft test, which is, you know, over four hours and you keep testing yourinsulin to see this, this, this curve. And, you know, it takes a while. So it,hopefully some more technologies will come soon and we'll be better at testinginsulin and the awareness will be there.
[00:04:07] Colin Stuckert: [00:04:07] So. Your parents were, I didn't know aboutthis.
[00:04:09] So they, were they notoverweight? Were they not really obese or just kind of like standard gain a fewpounds every year? Yeah.
[00:04:16] Brian Sanders: [00:04:16] Standard gain a few pounds each year. My dadwas, you know, it was always jogging and stuff and they, they look like normalAmericans and that's one of my big, uh, theories of like, what's wrong.
[00:04:27] With this whole food system andworld we [00:04:30] live in is, especially in America and certain westernizedcultures. It's so normal to just do that. It's you think it's completelynormal? Oh, of course you gain weight. We have the dad bod and we have evenmore, we have this fat acceptance movement, which I really want to fightagainst, but these things just are normal.
[00:04:48] Right. And then in othercountries, it's interesting. There's a book called why French women don't getfat, that, that sort of shares a sentiment. And also I've been to Japan andI've seen this where it is disgraceful, sort of your, your, your,
[00:05:03] Colin Stuckert: [00:05:03] yeah. The story about this with his tie grantor
[00:05:07] Brent Philbin: [00:05:07] dude, my girlfriend is tie and we go to pick hermom up from the airport.
[00:05:13] Uh, here she's, she's coming tothe U S for the first time in two years. They they're soup. They haven't seeneach other two years. Right. You never met her. Oh, there's even more behindit. But the first thing that her mom says to her is, wow, you got fat.
[00:05:28] Colin Stuckert: [00:05:28] So that was the hurt. Right? Didn't she say something to you?
[00:05:30] Brent Philbin: [00:05:30] probably like a little bit overweight, but she'slike,
[00:05:35] ColinStuckert: [00:05:35] she's pretty lean actually.
[00:05:36] BrentPhilbin: [00:05:36] She's, she's, she's skinny. Like she's notskinny. She's not fat, not even a little bit, like she's probably 10 to 15pounds over what she should be or whatever, but she also thinks she's fat andit's it's and then it goes even further.
[00:05:51] They don't know my name. Uh, myname in Tai is , which means chubby. And that that's just what they call me. Sothat's what, [00:06:00] Oh, wow. The, the, the fat shaming is real. And, andhonestly, I prefer that to the body positive movement that we have. Becauseevery I'm fat because I've made bad decisions over the course of my life andbad health decisions.
[00:06:14] And that's what got me in thisspot. It's not uncontrollable. It's not like I'm a, I've got to, Oh, you gotbad games.
[00:06:20] BrianSanders: [00:06:20] And
[00:06:20] ColinStuckert: [00:06:20] you're just, that's the way it's going to beforever. You know, I just see
[00:06:23] BrentPhilbin: [00:06:23] a pint of ice cream and I want to eat it like,and then I choose to I do so. So the idea that you have to like, say that fatis sexy, is it just blows my mind too, because, uh, it, I disagree vehementlyas a vegan.
[00:06:37] BrianSanders: [00:06:37] Yeah, well, it's not medically true. Likethey're getting the science wrong. It's very well established that if you carryexcess body fat, especially visceral fat, you know, the inside would, you can'teven see, but most fat people have that visceral fat is. Basically the root ofthis insulin resistance too.
[00:06:55] It's all tied together. So it's,and we know it's very clear that people who are overweight have greatermortality, right? W more diseases earlier. And of course, with this COVIDthing, way more deaths with COVID. So also there's a difference between fatshaming and a subtle. Sort of societal pressure. So I'm not saying we shouldfat shame.
[00:07:17] I'm not saying, you know, youcan just go call people fat and calm a slob and make fun of them. Not at all.Absolutely not. I'm saying let's help them. Just don't call it a geneticproblem. Don't say that it's, it's fine. [00:07:30] Say, Hey, you have theright to, you know, do whatever you want. And you can think big as beautiful ifyou choose, but we don't think that it's healthy because we know it's not.
[00:07:38] Right. Right.
[00:07:38] BrentPhilbin: [00:07:38] I guess I was using a false dichotomy therewhere I would just prefer fat shaming to body positive if those were my twochoices.
[00:07:45] BrianSanders: [00:07:45] Yeah. Well that, and then also, yeah, just, I, Ijust think that there is a cultural thing. Yes. In Japan, it's. You disrespect,your family, it's dishonorable to be obese and no one really is obese there.
[00:07:57] I walked around for a week. Ididn't, I didn't see any, I saw like one girl who was like eating snacks andeating ice cream. She was the only one. And, uh, and same thing was French.It's just that in the book or in this article I read about the book or it'slike, they don't snack. You're not eating stuff in excess you're peer pressuredby the people around you.
[00:08:17] And in America, we don't havethat. We have, especially in the South. If you look around and everyone's thesame size as you, then you just think it's normal
[00:08:24] ColinStuckert: [00:08:24] and everything eating all the time and there'ssnacks. And there's, there's anything you go to there's food and like, we gottaput food out. What figure food.
[00:08:30] We got to give people somethingto eat. There always has to be food. It's like a neurosis, right.
[00:08:35] BrentPhilbin: [00:08:35] Or even if you don't finish your food, I, thegrowing up our thing, they're like eat more and I'm like, yeah, well I'm full.They're like, but no, you need to finish your plate. There's people, it's likea thing in Africa or whatever depression,
[00:08:47] ColinStuckert: [00:08:47] era mindset of like, you know, you have foodhere, you need to use it.
[00:08:50] Don't waste, whatever. Like yousee that a lot in grandparents and a lot of cultures
[00:08:53] BrianSanders: [00:08:53] actually. Yeah. It's a problem. And then if youwant to talk about what we used to do, that was actually good. Is thegrandparents had the right ideas, [00:09:00] some of it, or maybe thegeneration before. Is you don't split a dinner with a snack, right?
[00:09:04] You don't eat fast food. Youdon't drink soda all the time. It was just the saying like, Hey, we were makingdinner. We prepared this food from scratch and we're going to eat it to threemeals a day and that's it. And you're fine. No, you don't need a dessert.You're not like, you know, it's not your birthday.
[00:09:20] Like, I like this kind of oldoutlook. We have. Yeah,
[00:09:26] ColinStuckert: [00:09:26] so we can talk about food all day. You know,most of our listeners, I covered nutrition a lot and everything, but you kindof reached out because you saw some of what I was posting about. I've again,like you I'm like, I don't want to say certain things that sometimes, but atthe same time, I feel like I got to say certain things.
[00:09:40] So I've kind of focused a littlemore on freedom and more on dislike, whether it's constitutional or not, youknow, things like the greater good and like the slippery slope of, you know, asFranklin said, if you give up a little bit of central Liberty in exchange forsecurity, you deserve neither Liberty nor security.
[00:09:53] And it's like, he said that inwhat 1700, 1800, because he knew how dangerous of a slippery slope that waslike when they were trying to. Break free from the British and establish whatAmerica was founded on. And so for me, that's a lot of what I try to just wakepeople up to a little bit, but again, as a CEO, like I have to be careful withwhat I say, you know, because there is very real public risks to saying certainthings, even if it's just based in fact, and it's contrary to the narrative,you know?
[00:10:18] And so I guess we could, um, youknow, if you want, in a way you could almost just ask me some questions or wecan kind of dive into it or whatever and talk about whatever you want. You knowwhat I'm just going to see?
[00:10:28] BrianSanders: [00:10:28] Well, yeah, my sort of [00:10:30] situation issimilar is I, I don't want to lose track of my goal of just putting out foodlies and, you know, just being a good resource for health information.
[00:10:39] And so if I start getting toosidetracked, people may be like, Hey, I came here for health.
[00:10:44] ColinStuckert: [00:10:44] Yeah. I know. I've already gotten this time.Trust me.
[00:10:48] BrianSanders: [00:10:48] I know what it is. Yeah, well, what it is is wegot red pills on nutrition. So this is what I've found is yes. I feel like it'sa little bit more our community. Yeah.
[00:10:57] So we get kind of, you seethrough the matrix, you see that not right about nutrition. You see these biggoverning bodies that are backwards and that they have ulterior motives there'smoney, there's power, there's all these things going on with the who andworldwide organizations and just our own, you know, American organizations thatkeep the dietary guidelines.
[00:11:17] The way they are and there's alot to it. So once I started figuring all that stuff out, then you kind of keepgoing down the rabbit hole, huh? Maybe they'd got other things wrong or maybe,okay. Here's another thing about food. I had a really interesting podcast withthe Australian farmer that, that looks into how to feed the world.
[00:11:33] And he says that the, in ourcurrent system, which sucks that we kind of are forced to do 80% plant foods, 20%animals, because that's how to get. Cheap calories to feed the world. And wehave 7.7 billion people in the world. And so a lot of these things happen justbecause we happen to have this way to produce cheap calories.
[00:11:54] Right? So it's like this sadreality that, that I, I made this graph that shows that the [00:12:00] risingpopulation and it shoots up, right. It's that big hockey stick growth around.40 50, 60, 70 eighties. It was kind of around the same time that the obesitycrisis happened. And I kind of had this new idea that one of the main causeswas recommending these types of cheap processed foods, but really behind that,I think these government organizations realize this, or there's also all theselobbyists groups that have tons of corn, wheat and soy.
[00:12:24] They have all the money is inthe corn soy. So they have more lobbyists. They influence our dietaryguidelines back in the earliest days in the fifties, when we started trying tofigure this stuff out or even forties. And part of that was that you're talkingabout greater good, or that we're going to talk a lot about the highest levelsof things is that these government bodies, they don't always have your bestinterests or health or something in mind.
[00:12:45] Sometimes they have their owninterests in mind, their own motives power, but they also, or money, they alsohave. They're like, Hey, we just have all this cheap corn, wheat and soy, andwe're going to just recommend it to people because that's what we have. Andwe're trying to make a food stamp program.
[00:12:59] We're trying to feed themilitary feed, the old age homes, all this type of stuff. They're like, huh? Ifwe recommend what we know to be healthy, which is what humans have always beeneating is usually you get a steak, you grow your own food and you eat steak andpotatoes. That'd be fine. If you had some little vegetables, meats, fish, eggs,steak, potato, whatever.
[00:13:18] That's fine. They knew wecouldn't feed the world that way. We couldn't feed America, that we couldn'tmake the food stamps program. And so this is what happens on these big levels.This is also a bigger story of what happens when you [00:13:30] do things atthe highest levels. And there's this whole idea of like collectivism, which issomething we'll get back to.
[00:13:36] But it's like doing, that's likedoing stuff at the highest level and you're so far. The people making thedecisions are so far removed from the bottom and that's opposite. We want todo, we want to make things, this is on a smaller level, local level, right? Andthe same thing with food, how to feed the world's.
[00:13:51] Dr. Gary Fay. He is a greatsurgeon from Tasmania who got indicted for spreading low-carb info. And amazingtold me like how to feed the world is you feed your community. Right. And thenI kinda like get it, but I kind of didn't get it. And I was like, Oh no, but ifeveryone feeds our community, Then by default, you feed the world.
[00:14:10] It's like decentralization. Weneed, we need to
[00:14:12] ColinStuckert: [00:14:12] decentralized food system, small communitiesgrowing their own food, supporting people around. Right. And like with workslike that with everything. Exactly. I mean, it really is. In fact, I got tothis brought me up reminded one thing that I saw on YouTube last night, thatI'd just been itching to tell somebody.
[00:14:29] So there's a mandatory $15 anhour minimum wage. And I believe it's New York for car wash employees. Okay,because apparently they were making like 70 bucks. They're hand-washing youhave these nice places where people bring their car and you'd have like five,six dudes working on your car. Well, they created a union, I guess they did allthe typical rhetoric of like, we need to raise rates and you know, they're being,they're being taken advantage of and all this nonsense.
[00:14:53] So guess what happened? I'm sureyou can assume most of the car washes went out of business. And guess what wehave now, they have [00:15:00] automated. And then the only places that havehand washing, or like for the people that have the night super nice cars andthey, they can charge a dollar. It's like every time the government getsinvolved in it, in a case like that, these interventionism or whatever you wantto call it, government makes things worse.
[00:15:16] Like you can't show me anythingwhere they've made it better, that has not come with real costs. And so a lotof those car wash students are now illegally working. By just like havingpeople pull up on the side of the road and they, and they do their car realquick. It's like, Dude, can you not see? And then the people that the unionpeople they're in denial, they're like, Oh, I don't think that's happening.
[00:15:35] Like they don't even have, theyhave no idea what's going on. They don't look at the numbers, they don't do thething, whatever. And he's being interviewed. He's like, I don't think, I thinkyou've been gotten some bad information. I think you were told something else.And the guy is just like completely clueless.
[00:15:45] It's like, this is the problemwith human setting. The standards for other people is they're just completelybiased. And they're obviously protecting their own interests first, which isusually their job. And then, you know, If they can do something with, withoutthreatening their job, they might do
[00:16:00] BrianSanders: [00:16:00] it there.
[00:16:02] Or they're just doing sort of,not so much virtue signaling, but this idea of this, it's a kind of thesesocialist socialism ideas. They're like, Oh, if we do this, it's going toimprove everyone's life. And it never works that way. And it's so surprisingthat people haven't caught on and I'd recommend the Peter Schiff is a great guythat went on Joe Rogan's podcast recently.
[00:16:24] Yeah. And spell this out forthree hours. He was like, there's a free market. It [00:16:30] runs itself.There's supply and demand. You know, there's so many things. If someone it's agood thing to have someone work for seven, $8 an hour, because they're not skilledenough to do a job. That's $15 an hour entry point.
[00:16:42] Right? So stepping stones, andthen these guys can get tips. I tip my carwash guys, you know, the guy thatdoes all the hand work. I'm like, I throw him some dollars, you know, maybe hegets $7 an hour, but I gave him three more. Someone else gave him three more.Someone else. Give him three more. Now he's at 15.
[00:16:57] ColinStuckert: [00:16:57] Well, you know, what's funny. Yeah. You'resaying that is they're actually voting. So apparently there's some of these carwashes that still have guys doing it and they're claiming their tips to meetthe $15 minimum wage. Right. So they're trying to like meet it by also claimingtheir tips. They're going to vote on removing that, the ability to do that.
[00:17:13] And like, it's always underthis, this premise that we're going to help the people. But it doesn't workthat way. It's
[00:17:18] BrianSanders: [00:17:18] absurd that, okay.
[00:17:22] ColinStuckert: [00:17:22] I want to talk to you about it. Okay.
[00:17:23] BrianSanders: [00:17:23] That's the bigger picture we keep going intosmall examples of this, but there's the biggest picture we should talk about iswhat's going on on a world level, right?
[00:17:33] This is all these ideas are sortof implanted in us for a hundred years on these collectivism ideas is socialismideas and. I'm not an expert in this at all. I'm just getting into it. So well,I have a friend that was one of the smartest guys in my high school. I grew upwith him. We were always competing.
[00:17:54] Like, you know, we're in anational math test, you know, competitions, you know, top people and all that.[00:18:00] He figured this stuff out 14 years ago, dug into it. There's rootsthat go back for hundreds and hundreds of years about what's going on. And I'lljust give a teaser of people who want to just see some hard stuff.
[00:18:12] Go to world economic forum, justGoogle world economic forum, WWII forum.com is their site. There's this big groupof global people, just billionaire people that are trying to do the greatergood trying this collective ideas and in plain writing and this very complexwebsite, that's what took probably years to make, but has so much informationabout COVID and pandemics.
[00:18:35] That was impossible for them tomake this all in the past few months. Like this stuff was up immediately.Basically they say, we need a pandemic to start. Doing a great reset. They callit the great reset and they call it the new normal, like all these terms you'rehearing around
[00:18:51] ColinStuckert: [00:18:51] normal corporate, just an invention.
[00:18:53] BrianSanders: [00:18:53] I can't stand it. They're trying to get youready for this new normal. And they're like, we're going to use this pandemicor a pandemic. And it happened to be this COVID thing, to get people, to bescared, to want to give up their freedoms. Right. This is the thing. This iswhen you see it happening. Everyone.
[00:19:11] I know that's, you know, on thisside, this sort of like ultra liberal side, it's following, you know, fallingfor this mainstream fear and all this stuff. They're like, Oh yes. Like contacttracing, like w you know, give up the freedom. They're like, They are handingup their freedoms on a silver platter, which is what you talked about in thebeginning.
[00:19:28] And it's part of the [00:19:30]plan. And so if you want to look at it in hard ink, you can just go to worldeconomic forum online. They have hundreds and thousands and thousands of pageson the plan too. To make a world government and that's, there's a
[00:19:43] ColinStuckert: [00:19:43] they're trying to make a one world government.Cause I hear different things.
[00:19:47] I haven't read it myself. Imean, even the thing, like not having changed and trying to move to a digitaldollar and that could be more a by-product of the fed, trying to prop up herbroken system. But those would all be kind of stepping stones to something likethat. Oh, a single digital currency for the whole world it's tracked, you know,the fed can put money in or take it out anytime they want or whatevergovernment that happens
[00:20:06] BrianSanders: [00:20:06] to be follow you.
[00:20:08] Yeah. Chip. I mean, I, I'm not alike anti-vaxxer, I don't, I have no idea. I never got into vaccines. Likeeither way. I think they're actually are good for the greater good. She, youknow, like they, they do help, but there's this whole idea that we'rebeginning, the vaccines are part of it. And in this bill Gates, and this is alltying in and that they want to chip microchip people.
[00:20:28] That would, but then also if youmicrochip people, so I have like tech friends and I was in tech and I thinkit's cool to have new technology in the new phones and have this stuff. So it'slike cool that it's like, Oh man, I can have a chip in me and I can pay foreverything. So it's this weird. Kind of, there's going to be like a
[00:20:45] ColinStuckert: [00:20:45] transition, like, because before, go ahead
[00:20:47] BrentPhilbin: [00:20:47] here.
[00:20:48] Let me, uh, I'll, I'll speak up.Cause there's a couple of things that I like to talk on here. I'm I don't wantto ever refer to myself as liberal, although my friend seemed to think I am,uh, because, uh, I'm more towards, I guess, the center on this stuff, but[00:21:00] you, you brought up contact tracing, and then you brought up havinga chip in you.
[00:21:03] Both of those things can be avery good thing. If they respect the privacy properly. Right now, we have abunch of things. Google, Facebook, all these things that are massive, massiveinvasions of privacy, they know you better than you know yourself. That's why,when people hear, you always hear stories of like, Oh, I talked about like gettinga pencil and then there was a pencil on my Facebook feed.
[00:21:28] Are they listening to you?Maybe. Could they predict that you were in that stage of your life? Or do youneed a pencil? No, you better. They may literally have just known you well enoughto do that, which is kind nuts. So
[00:21:55] It's nothing shady. They don'thave, maybe they do have a secret microphones on, and that's another story. But,but to your point, no, they just read it.
[00:22:02] ColinStuckert: [00:22:02] It's in their tos. They D they, we allow themto do it. And even when Snowden came out and be like the NSA spying on you,people are like, Oh, that's, I don't know if I agree with that.
[00:22:10] And then the next day, they'reback to watching the Kardashians. Like, that's the world we live in. Like, ifsomething's too inconvenient, the masses, aren't going to really change theirbehavior. Right. Unless they're forced
[00:22:21] BrentPhilbin: [00:22:21] to, there's some uproar about Tik TOK right now.Everybody's like, Oh, we gotta cancel.
[00:22:26] Tick-tock they're stealing ourinformation. I'm like, y'all know you just posted that on [00:22:30] Facebook.Right? Like I get it. It's going to China instead of us, but it's the samething. So that's interesting. But something like something like T3 PL wherethey're creating a contact tracing solution, that is zero knowledge that isopen source.
[00:22:44] That does respect privacy. Samething with like different crypto projects. If there was a chip that I could putin my arm that would allow me to like, carry my private keys with me, whereverI go be completely secure. And it was completely decentralized and open source.I probably don't have a problem with that, but only if I can verify it, youhave to trust, verify
[00:23:02] ColinStuckert: [00:23:02] what does the contract contact tracing?
[00:23:04] What is the intention, orthey're trying to say. You might be exposed to you, should quarantine. Is thatlike the logic behind it? Like what, what would it do if everybody was contacttraced, what would we do? We would just have that data and like avoid peoplebecause then I have some issues with that because we, we, we don't even knowhow these things transmit and we think we do.
[00:23:20] And we're just basicallycompletely ignorant to a lot of things like a mask that's supposed to save us.
[00:23:24] BrentPhilbin: [00:23:24] There's so much, we don't know about what'sgoing on with COVID that it's just a measure in between until we learn it.Right. So. In theory, if 62% of people are vaccinated to something or they'reimmune to it, by getting it, you have herd immunity and you don't have risk of transmissionthroughout the masses.
[00:23:41] What contact racing would do isessentially establish like a fake herd immunity and the way the dissenters oneworks, your Bluetooth on your phone. Yeah. Would emit a ping of a string ofrandom letters and numbers. That means nothing. And if you. Go near somebodyelse's Bluetooth. It [00:24:00] pings their Bluetooth in, and now thosenumbers, no that they interacted.
[00:24:04] When you go to the doctor andyou get a COVID diagnosis or any other crazy viral infection that happens to begoing around, they put in their doctor one-time pin into your phone, which saysI was just diagnosed that now gets uploaded to a server. The that's the onlycentralized part, but it doesn't know your information.
[00:24:25] So the. And it could be donedecentralized. It just didn't do that. But
[00:24:29] ColinStuckert: [00:24:29] what is, what, what do people supposed to do ifthey, if it been to them? So now all it
[00:24:34] BrentPhilbin: [00:24:34] does is say, Hey, uh, you have had 30 minutes ofexposure to COVID it doesn't tell you to lock down immediately or anything. Itsays, go get a test. So you go to your, you get to skip the line.
[00:24:45] You don't have to worry aboutwhether you have symptoms or anything. You go to the doctor and you say, Hey,my, my app told me I should get a test. You get a test? You're clear. You'regood to go. Uh, but you have a log of all the people that you've pinged bybeing near. So that it would just tell you if you had a certain amount ofexposure and that was
[00:25:02] ColinStuckert: [00:25:02] time to get a test.
[00:25:03] Basically the goal would be tolike, let people know so they can stay home. The goal would be to
[00:25:07] BrentPhilbin: [00:25:07] get the right people tested
[00:25:09] BrianSanders: [00:25:09] and tracing it well that, and supposedly itwould help you trace it, like, okay, well this person contacted and this iswhere it came from. And then this is, you know, it came into LA and then wehave
[00:25:17] BrentPhilbin: [00:25:17] scenario, nobody would know where it came from.
[00:25:19] Just that it existed. So all youknow is that you had some
[00:25:22] BrianSanders: [00:25:22] contact. I think the one that, where they wantto know who you are, they want to go back to the origin were hung up. Yeah.
[00:25:30] [00:25:29] Brent Philbin: [00:25:29] That's the onethat's scary. Yeah. That's what they're doing in like Thailand and places likethat. Yeah. So the one that Google to, to their credit, the one that Googlepartnered with is this one that does respect privacy.
[00:25:40] And then the goal there is.Right now we're testing people who show symptoms, which honestly doesn't reallydo much. If you test somebody who's sick. If you're sick, you can just stayhome. You know, you're sick. So we're getting something like 15% of these testsare coming back positive. What you need to do is test somebody who doesn't knowthat they have it and find out that they have it.
[00:26:00] So that's what really slows itdown. So if you. If you get 30 minutes of exposure now, you're pretty likely tohave it. You go in, you get checked. Okay, you're good. Now you don't have toworry. Nobody else has to worry. You go on about your day and then that's it.And that's how the contact tracing solution would work.
[00:26:15] And you could even take it astep further and, and function off of zero knowledge
[00:26:22] ColinStuckert: [00:26:22] grasping at straws. If the
[00:26:24] BrentPhilbin: [00:26:24] goal is to reduce deaths
[00:26:26] ColinStuckert: [00:26:26] then, well, we can unpack that if you want,because now what did we do in 2017, 2018? When we had one of the worst, uh,influence of pandemics in years, and nobody even talked about it and it wasn'tweaponized as a political weapon and every day more Tesco up, even though theirfaulty death rate goes down, we're literally looking at something that killsless people than the flu.
[00:26:42] I mean, just look at the numbersand they've never even isolated the virus, they haven't passed. The guy's name,I think is caught. It's like a, some standard is supposed to pass. They'venever even been able to isolate it.
[00:26:52] BrianSanders: [00:26:52] There's just a lot. These are all the things,the bigger issues. Yes. I mean, I then listening to a lot of great interviewswith very prominent, [00:27:00] worldwide immunologists, virologists and stufflike that.
[00:27:02] I've read Cummins interviewsthem. If anyone has doesn't listen to Ivor, Cummins podcasts, it's called likefat emperor or something. He's had a couple of great people on. Uh, I want toget them on. I mean, maybe you could just wait until they go on peak human, butnumber 91 and number 90, these guys are just there's this professor that justlays it out, all this stuff.
[00:27:20] He's like, this is not. What itseems to be all the kind of stuff that you're saying. He's talking about howthere's actual data showing that lockdowns are ineffective, showing actualdata. How about all kinds of stuff? Just please listen to them. Cause I don'twant to just do it third hand through me.
[00:27:38] Right. And you know, just lookto the other side. Is it Ivo? R Cummings I V O R Ivor, Cummins, C U M M I N S.And just look for number 91, his podcasts are in a weird order. Just look fornine 90, one 90. It'll blow your mind. Number 91 will. You'll send it toeveryone, you know, and like, all I want people to do is not listen to.
[00:28:01] Just the mainstream face,whatever you hear on Facebook, do your own research, like look at all sides.That's what I've learned doing the food lies film is I don't want to make afilm. That's like just one sided piece, basically. Yeah. I don't want to dothat either. So I kind of started doing that without knowing it.
[00:28:17] And then I went on my journey. Iwas open-minded. I was, you know, I was an engineer about things. I looked atall sides and root causes and like, Oh, Hey, now I get why. There's people whocan be healthy, who are eating [00:28:30] high carb diets, high plant diets,right? Yeah. Yeah. Low fat. If you go low fat. Yep. Yeah. If you're eating onlywhole foods and you're avoiding the sugars are fine grains and the vegetableoils.
[00:28:40] Yes. It's possible, but not veryfew people do it, but so then once you kind of say, okay, there's two ways togo. You got to figure out your preferences, all this stuff. It's kind of thesame thing with all the science, but one of the biggest problems is. That otherside of science is being shut down, which said the Facebook, Google of the, thestuff about Kobe they're being sent to you're talking about.
[00:29:01] Yeah, because it's allsentenced. So this sort of thing, people aren't looking at both sides, there,there's all this information out there showing the, in efficacy of mass showingthat lockdown did not work. And you can look at all these different countriesand when they locked down and how severely they locked down and supposedly thatshould correlate with their cases.
[00:29:18] Absolutely not there's zero correlation.So just their sense of science. You can look at what you're saying. There'smore cases, but less deaths. We should be celebrating this. That means thatwe're having more cured immunity because more people are getting it, but lesspeople are dying. This is a good thing.
[00:29:34] And also just hurting me. Wedon't need 62% of people for her immunity. Just listen to these podcasts,listen to the scientist on this to me, but they're talking about. All thesedifferent reasons why the antibodies don't show up and more people are, youknow, immune. Then we think more people have been, have had it than we think.
[00:29:51] And so there's all thisinformation
[00:29:52] ColinStuckert: [00:29:52] out there actually I'm pretty, or I had a one
[00:29:54] BrianSanders: [00:29:54] strain that I might have even had. I hadn't madeit had a long time ago. Cause I've been traveling around. I've been doingeverything. [00:30:00] I don't get I've, I've interacted with hundreds ofpeople. I mean, I'll wear a mask if I go into someone's grocery store.
[00:30:05] But other than that, Um, livingfreely, um, hanging out with tons of people. No, one's had anything. Yeah, noone I'm not afraid. I have a good immune system. I, you know what I mean? LikeI that's a whole other story too, is the host, right? The person who has it,virus is going around there at
[00:30:22] ColinStuckert: [00:30:22] all times. That's, that's a good, that's apoint I want to make.
[00:30:24] So there's 50 to a hundred newcoronaviruses that are out in the ether every year. That's just what they'vebeen able to kind of predict and identify. There might be thousands. We've beenanimals. Humans, like we've been coexisting with viruses for millions of years.Right? So what people don't understand about a virus is they, I think theypicture this like thing that comes in and like, it tries to kill you a virusthat's successful will never kill the host.
[00:30:44] It'll just stay in and then moveto someone else. And then basically use you as a vessel to live in like you'rethe home for the virus. Right. And that's of course, if you believe in some ofthe standard, like virus being passed along, I've been seeing people talk abouthow that doesn't even really happen that way.
[00:30:57] And I don't know, there's a lotthat I haven't spent time to get into, but I do know that. If you look at thepoliticizing of everything and you look at what these, a lot of left leaning,Democrat mayors are doing. And, and then you factor in the protesting and the blacklives matter stuff. And all these things you see that you have a bunch ofpeople that are violating the constitution that are doing things first fortheir own political ends.
[00:31:18] Right. And they're using thesethings. That's something that we should understand, tried to research and tryto have conflicting views on so we can better approach it. It's not just. Stayhome, social distance, wear a mask, and then that's going to save everyone.That's [00:31:30] going to make us more fragile. That's what people don'tunderstand.
[00:31:31] And we, if we sensor informationthat even people perceive as bad, how are we going to get to having good ideas?Like you have to stress test ideas to lab and anti-fragile talks about this.He's like most people think academia is a reason. We have like innovationaccurate or wealth. Usually academia is created from wealth.
[00:31:49] That was a byproduct of people.Tinkering. He's got a whole chapter. And when he talks about him, it's thisidea that academia in science just like does all these things. When usuallyit's like individual private citizens researching things, and then they stumbleon something and then academia picks up, writes articles about and takes allthe credit for it.
[00:32:02] Like this is Lori, the world welive in, we think we know so much and science is not in 2020. Science is notfinal scientists and ever going thing. I think at 2100, I think about, we willlook like caveman. To the human to 2100.
[00:32:18] BrianSanders: [00:32:18] Yeah. Literally it, science is always evolvingand yeah, the people who. Who wants to disprove their ideas or the goodscientists.
[00:32:26] Yeah. Carl, you could tell allthe good scientists I've ever heard there. They're like trying to disprovetheir idea. And then the bad scientists are just using their biases. And like,you know, just going along with the status quo or just trying to just confirmtheir biases, they already have. So, yeah, there's a much bigger picture here.
[00:32:45] I don't want to get too crazyabout this stuff, but this is, I mentioned my friend. Who's just, you know, letme clued me into what's going on. You know, he's been, he knew something likethis was going and happen because it's all part of this bigger agenda. Andagain, the world [00:33:00] economic forum, they have it.
[00:33:01] It's called agenda 21. Now itchanged the agenda 2030. It was supposed to be agenda 2021, but it didn'thappen in time. So that's supposed to take place by the year 2030. This is allpublic information, publicly available information agenda 2030, it's aboutcentralization of power. They want to have world food systems.
[00:33:18] They want to feed people cheapprocessed foods and fake food. This is all kind of tied bouncy. If I connecteda lot of places, all plant-based because it's a way we can feed cheap calories.Well,
[00:33:28] ColinStuckert: [00:33:28] boy, can we do that though? You looked a lot atthe regenerative model and my understanding is that you can actually producemore food in a smaller area and it can be sustainable with a model like that.
[00:33:38] Right. So. Why don't we decidetrack, do that real
[00:33:40] BrianSanders: [00:33:40] quick. That's it? The bigger story and yes, Ibeen to a lot of farms, ranches. I've taught, interviewed tons of these people.I've big and small. I went to Joel Salitan is pretty famous.
[00:33:52] ColinStuckert: [00:33:52] What's being tomorrow. Is that the one they didthe movie
[00:33:54] BrianSanders: [00:33:54] about? I did also interview them.
[00:33:56] There's called the biggestlittle farm. Yeah. That's a good system. They use planet animals together.Right? So that's the key is using these holistic management methods. You'reusing planet animals. There's a harmonious. Cycle, you don't have to use allthe herbicides and pesticides and fungicides. If you have the plants andanimals together, that's a big takeaway from the movie.
[00:34:14] It's like they had all thesesnails and then the, you know, like the sheep came out and
[00:34:18] ColinStuckert: [00:34:18] ate the snails. And then that howl was like 80,80 owl things. Like it's really fascinating. It's everybody should watch that
[00:34:25] BrentPhilbin: [00:34:25] video on owls. When they fly, they make
[00:34:28] ColinStuckert: [00:34:28] no noise at all. [00:34:30] They're nightpredators, man. They can't make any
[00:34:31] BrentPhilbin: [00:34:31] noise.
[00:34:32] They did like, they did like anEagle and then they did like a, like a Falcon going after their prey. And itwas just massive when their wings flap, there was tons of noise. The owls zero,no wave form whatsoever. Completely silent. It was insane.
[00:34:45] ColinStuckert: [00:34:45] Nature's really impressive.
[00:34:46] BrianSanders: [00:34:46] Actually random. Yeah. So that's how natureworks though.
[00:34:50] And to do monocropping is okay.Inherently plant foods are not sustainable because they don't have the inputsthat animals would provide, like the fertilizer and all these other benefits,animals survive. So inherently, no matter what. Plant food is not sustainable.It's it's, you're getting some outside inputs from somewhere.
[00:35:09] Usually it's fossil fuel and youhave fossil fuel based fertilizers or something. Right? So for one, it, it'snot sustainable by definition, you're getting. Something worse. Plus you'rekilling way more animals, which is what this guy, this Australian farmer showedme some studies and talks about. And you're also ruining ecosystems to do that,to grow these one crops, the opposite would be holistic managed farms.
[00:35:33] There's another guy gave Browndoes it in North Dakota. 5,000 acres, big farms. He's doing it. You, you, youdon't tell you Lee, you have cover crops. You don't dig up the soil. You wantto keep that soil. I mean, it's all about the soil health. So we're doing allof this expense. The monocropping is an expense of our soil, right?
[00:35:49] So we're kicking the can downthe road and we're going to be screwed soon. But if you have the animals inthere and it improves the soil, it puts carbon back into the soil, right? So alot of these regenerative farms, there's a study with white Oak [00:36:00]pastures that show that it puts more carbon in the soil, then their wholeprocess.
[00:36:05] Immense. Right. So all thesecows that they raise are net carbon sink. So this goes against, and it was thesame firm that did this big study, that the impossible burger beyond burger andshowed that. It was, you know, it did have a carbon impact and then theregenerative methods had a negative impact. So they improve.
[00:36:24] So this is all good science.Okay. So we can feed the world using these methods. It's going to take a whileand you have to stop the subsidies of corn. When, so we got to stop exportingall our weed and supporting, you know, third world countries with our cheap.Grains and everyone needs to grow their own food.
[00:36:42] And this is all possible. Youcan look up Allan savory and savory.global, and they, there is. Sure. Yeah.Yep. All the tool, the quote is, it's not a question of if regenerativeagriculture can save the world, it's the only way to feed the world. Yeah.Right. That's that's like the only way to just think about it.
[00:36:58] Logically, like to havesomething self-sustaining that is regenerative is the only way to feed theworld. Right. It has to be self sustaining. Our current system is notself-sustaining so. By definition, it cannot feed the world because of whichwe're going to just, we're just strip mining in the world, less productive.
[00:37:15] Yes. So that's the food thing.So they have these ideas about global food. Part of it is maybe sinister, butpart of it is some of these people just get the wrong idea, right.
[00:37:26] ColinStuckert: [00:37:26] That similar point, because that's what I thinkabout bill [00:37:30] Gates. What I think you're saying, I think he thinks he'sdoing good.
[00:37:33] Right. Is that what you'resaying? He thinks he can just do it again. He thinks vaccines are the answer.He thinks interventionism and he has billions. So it's his job. And he's tryingto save all these people, but a lot of the places he goes to try to savepeople, kick them out. They don't want them there.
[00:37:44] Right. Cause he's causing moreharm. I think these guys think they're the good guys. They have maybe goodintentions. Even the depopulation of people. They think that the only way tosave the planet is to have less humans. Right. And they publicly talk about aKissinger was a big one planned Parenthood.
[00:37:59] The origin of that was one. Shewas a Nazi that founded that. I mean, it goes all the way back to Rockefellerfoundation and not even Rockville himself, but his son. And then, and then whathappens from there? Okay,
[00:38:07] BrianSanders: [00:38:07] so you're right. And there is when I talked tothis farmer, Australian farmer, maybe we can't support that many people in ahealthy way.
[00:38:15] Maybe the world will self-adjustbut a huge point is we were not put here to depopulate if you know what I mean,if there's a world's correction that happens and that happens. Right. Somepeople think that, you know, these viruses coming along are part of that. It'sjust a natural order, right? If a species gets too popular, like an animalspecies, either another predator comes in and starts taking over, or there's adisease, right?
[00:38:36] The nature balances itself,
[00:38:38] ColinStuckert: [00:38:38] right. Eat their food supply to death, and thenthey die off. They don't even know it, but humans were, we have aconsciousness. We can see what we're doing yet. We still do it. Cause it'sjust, we don't have like a collectivism. Right. It's good. We don't, but we cansee how they could make that point.
[00:38:52] Of wanting to have one worldgovernment. Cause they think they're going to save the world, you know?
[00:38:55] BrianSanders: [00:38:55] Yes. They, well, they think they know betterthan I am. Humans have this thing where [00:39:00] we can't see the future. Wehave this immediate gratification things, right. It's like, yeah. So it's hardfor humans to think, Oh wait, we're ruining the soil.
[00:39:07] But they're like, well, what arewe going to do now? We want, we need food now. So, so part of it again, I'mwatching this show, the last kingdom on Netflix, right? So this is old, likeninth century Saxons versus Danes, you know, Vikings versus the long hair.
[00:39:20] ColinStuckert: [00:39:20] Yeah. Yeah. I've watched that a few times.
[00:39:22] BrianSanders: [00:39:22] What's his
[00:39:28] the same thing is kind ofplaying out. Like it's always played out like this in history, since we startedaccumulating power, once agricultural revolution. And actually it was like thestorage of grains. Once you could store grains, then someone could amass power.So we've always had this where the Kings they're everyone's peasants and therethere's one King and then there's like 10, you know, whatever Elderman.
[00:39:48] That's what it's like nowthere's like this whole idea that, Oh, there's this shadow government, orthere's a secret cabal or like something there kind of is. And it's not reallythat secret. It's just, this is how the world has always worked. There's alwaysthese people that have mass and insane fortune.
[00:40:01] And if you make a milliondollars today, you're a peasant compared to them. Yep. Like these people havebillions of dollars, right. Yeah. These people have actual trillions, like RothGerald's Rockefeller's Rothschild's yeah. I'm going to try to get all thisstuff. So I still don't know. I'm just learning.
[00:40:15] I've talked to my friend amillion times. He's blowing my mind. So this accumulation of power, I think itstarted, you know, throughout history, middle ages, all that stuff. Right. EvenPharaoh's right. It always has been like this. Then we, in the modern way,there was even all these big, like East Indian trading [00:40:30] company goingaround, taking over the world's, you know, like taking over South Africa,taking all these trading posts and then into Europe and.
[00:40:35] And just even the founding ofAmerica, this acumen, it was like the richest people in Europe, just, it wasthe biggest investment opportunity in history. It's a whole continent, right?And these people are basically wants to become the Rockefellers, the JP Morgan,like all the people that did the railroads oil, all the resources thataccumulated so much wealth in America.
[00:40:56] Are the Kings. Okay. So thesepeople they've amass and insane fortune that I think is still hidden. Right?You don't even know how much it is and they'd pass it down. And they startedputting, they had the Rockefeller foundation, they started taking overeducation. So there's a big, so we were like, why are all these academics justthinking like this, why do people want to squash ideas?
[00:41:15] Why is there this kind of moresocialist idea? You know, all these questions that it. Okay. There's a bookcalled the deliberate dumbing down of America. And there's this woman.Charlotte is Herbie Chronicles. It's a college of history of all thesedocuments. It's not a book where she writes her own opinions.
[00:41:33] It's a book where she just, allit is is. Excerpts from documents throughout history that have showed thatwe've made this school system this way. We've made this whole education systemin America to produce people who are compliant and just want to work a job. Anddon't think for themselves it's that she lies.
[00:41:53] I think it's called Skinnerian.Tactic it's Skinnerian Texas is like training
[00:41:57] ColinStuckert: [00:41:57] a dog. Well, that was brought over from[00:42:00] communism.
[00:42:00] BrianSanders: [00:42:00] Yes. It's all, it's all tied
[00:42:02] ColinStuckert: [00:42:02] in with common error, cool system. Like whenthey were creating it, they took a lot of cues from communism. And the reasonwe have public education is because the corporations that were growing at thetime that needed employees and they need factory workers, they were afraid theywere going to run out of labor.
[00:42:16] And then typing became a thing.Think about when typing became a thing in corporations. Now, everything was movingto typing and knowledge work, same thing. Now college, that college became abig thing we need, we need people that can type that can do basic reading andwriting so they can be, our factory are basically knowledge workers.
[00:42:29] So red pill, you mentioned thatearlier. Can you define that? Because even to this day, I haven't really gottena definition for myself.
[00:42:34] BrentPhilbin: [00:42:34] Yeah, I think that's a completely differentdefinition of red pill then than is going around. Now my, my original red pillwas like on pickup, like, like picking up women.
[00:42:43] ColinStuckert: [00:42:43] That's not even, it's not like that anymore.That was like, just remember
[00:42:46] BrentPhilbin: [00:42:46] standing on that. And it was like, all women areevil and stuff like that. And I was like, wait, what?
[00:42:51] ColinStuckert: [00:42:51] Men's rights stuff. This is like more about ina way.
[00:42:54] BrianSanders: [00:42:54] No, no, no. This is just matrix stuff. So, Imean, I'm not like some people are like obsessed with the matrix.
[00:42:59] I think it was great. I watchedit. I don't remember at all. And I watched them all and it's amazing, butbasically it's like, you get the choice during the red pill or the blue pill,the red pill is you see that everything is fake, right. That that's all. Andthen the blue pill is you go back to society and you don't know anything andyou live in blissful ignorance.
[00:43:17] So the red pill is you seethrough the matrix, you see that it's all being controlled and there's, youknow, the, all those body, you know, humans are like batteries
[00:43:25] ColinStuckert: [00:43:25] on the ship and you're eating this junk inrags.
[00:43:29] BrianSanders: [00:43:29] Yeah. So it's [00:43:30] like bread pill justmeans that you see what's really going on. Right. You see through to the, yeah.
[00:43:36] You see, you're not justignorance. Bliss ignorance is bliss, the basses that the sheep. So let's goback to education. So you're onto, I think a lot of people know pieces of thisstory, right? That there's an education system was high. Yeah. It's thiscommunistic, Marxist socialists kind of thing done on purpose.
[00:43:53] And that the Rockefeller's allthese different foundations in this book, it tracks that they were purposelydoing this. They set up these global systems. They invested most
[00:44:02] ColinStuckert: [00:44:02] of his fortune and billions and billions ofdollars over the
[00:44:05] BrianSanders: [00:44:05] years. Yeah. And then you mentioned the federalreserve and Fiat currency and all that stuff.
[00:44:09] That is a huge part of the storytoo, is that these same people, they basically hijack the American money systemand government by getting this pass. And what is it? 1918, 19, somewhere aroundthere, the federal reserve act. And that was just the end of it. That once wehad that, I mean, I, I need to read these books.
[00:44:28] There's a couple of books on thefederal
[00:44:30] ColinStuckert: [00:44:30] reserve. The Island of Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Hyde isone of
[00:44:33] BrianSanders: [00:44:33] them. Yep. There's another one too, that I thinkis more of a wait
[00:44:36] BrentPhilbin: [00:44:36] there's creature from the creature from JekyllIsland. It was very different title than what you just said.
[00:44:42] ColinStuckert: [00:44:42] Very close to what I said, if you Google that
[00:44:47] BrianSanders: [00:44:47] Google thing.
[00:44:47] Yes. But there's another one. Ishould remember that my friends, he said the down wasn't as good. And thatthere was one that was more. It's not as popular, but it's like more factual.So that was part of it. The tax exempt [00:45:00] status. I think it was aroundthere too, where the, you know, tax exempt, uh, corporations that was huge tothis.
[00:45:05] You mean like the
[00:45:05] ColinStuckert: [00:45:05] creation of corporations,
[00:45:07] BrianSanders: [00:45:07] of them being no, the creation of tax exemptcorporations, right? Like non-profits these same group of people
[00:45:13] ColinStuckert: [00:45:13] or those for the foundations that somebody likeRockefeller crate. So I read the Rockefeller biography towards the end of hislife. He was having trouble giving away his money.
[00:45:23] There was always politicalthings. And like, and generally I think Rockville was a good guy. Like he was.You just got to read the book, but I think what happened as a result of hiswealth, I think that's where a lot of the bad nefarious stuff happened, but hewas trying to give his money away to medicine, to schooling, to education.
[00:45:36] Like I think the university ofChicago, he basically propped up for years. It wouldn't exist if it wasn't forhim. And I forgot my point with that, but yeah,
[00:45:43] BrianSanders: [00:45:43] that's what he did. He's not that bad of a guy.Yes. He maybe, well, not bad a guy, but yeah, some of this stuff is just putinto motion a long time ago and then it just happened.
[00:45:54] So. I seriously don't have allthe answers and I just think people should research for themselves, but justread about the education system, read about the federal reserve and just lookat this, this time in history. There's also a very interesting guy. He's calledYuri. who? He's a
[00:46:12] ColinStuckert: [00:46:12] KGB guy. I know I shared that video.
[00:46:14] I have it on my website has avideo. Every American must watch. Just look up, look up URIs warning toAmerica. It's like seven minutes, but he even had, he did lectures and stuff.The dude is like an American hero and he's a Russian ex
[00:46:26] BrianSanders: [00:46:26] KGB a hundred percent. So this is my friend whenI was [00:46:30] asking all the questions and wanting to no more, he said, juststart with
[00:46:33] There's a few videos on YouTubewhere he does it, like on a whiteboard or a chalkboard. And he does like awhole thing. Yeah. There is a seven minute like sort of recap. But it's allabout, it's called subversion and he's talking about Russia. They're not outthere like blowing up bridges and you know what I mean?
[00:46:47] Their KGB agents weresubverting. They were doing this psychological warfare is it's planting theirideals into America. And then there's so much to this stuff that I don't havethe time to look into it. Right. But it's all divide and conquer is a goodcatchphrase phrase to think of this, all that there's this group of people thatwant to stay in power.
[00:47:08] They're, they're the ultraChillionaires they're pulling strings. They they're kind of the same ones thatstarted the UN and the WHL. They're probably the same. There's it's all thisweb, you know, it's not a conspiracy. It's just what happened.
[00:47:21] ColinStuckert: [00:47:21] Just like Epstein. Yeah. He knew he's rich andpowerful do that.
[00:47:24] Knew a lot of rich and powerfuldude. Everyone's trying to make associations or whatever. And I just think mostof that's like a smoke screen. A diversion from a lot of the actual things thatare going on, but it's just another example of like a lot of the rich peoplehang out. Like if you're a billionaire, you pretty much hang out with
[00:47:37] BrianSanders: [00:47:37] billionaires.
[00:47:37] Well, there's these ideas as myfriend has these ideas that some of that is true, where they, they controlpeople and they get people. They want to get dirt on you so that they cancontrol you. And then he thinks that Epstein was part of that. Is they even. Gothim. Like maybe if they have dirt on him or they knew he was an egotisticalmaniac kind of guy that likes hanging with young girls.
[00:47:57] So they're like, Oh, we're goingto use this guy so we can get [00:48:00] video evidence of all these other peopleand control them. Yeah. You know what I mean? So there is somewhat of a trueconspiracy there going on. And so, but then there's all these stuff that isn'ttrue. Like if you like, there's some like Q Anon or something, there's allthese guys have been seeing some wacky stuff and they have part of it.
[00:48:17] And then half of it's likebogus. It's
[00:48:19] BrentPhilbin: [00:48:19] basically a troll from fortune that ended upfounding a religion, basically.
[00:48:24] BrianSanders: [00:48:24] Yeah. A lot of these things happen that way orthere's like Alex Jones or something like he's like he knows a good example.But he's like a guy that yeah. That he had a lot.
[00:48:33] ColinStuckert: [00:48:33] Right. But then he just kind of.
[00:48:34] Yeah, I think he just goes crazymode. Right?
[00:48:37] BrianSanders: [00:48:37] He has like lizard people and there's, there'seven ideas that maybe he's even part of the distraction. You know what I mean?That they want him, that they want him because people are going to know leaksome of this, but then they need to discredit it. So he,
[00:48:52] ColinStuckert: [00:48:52] yeah, you discredited it by you kind of tryingto make a joke out of it.
[00:48:55] Right. So instead of trying tosuppress it, if it's going to come out, we might as well take it to the nthdegree. So people just like, Oh, that's stupid.
[00:49:00] BrianSanders: [00:49:00] Yeah, so they let Alex Jones exists, but thenhe's talking about lizard people that control the government, and then everyonethinks Alex Jones is an idiot and the crackpots, and no one believes him.
[00:49:09] So this is part of their tacticsand it's part of the subversion taxes. Okay. So this whole thing, even with thecoronavirus and stuff, supposedly that's all part of this idea of there's thisplan of how to enact their idea to have like the world's government and allthis stuff, which is, I forget the steps, but you create.
[00:49:30] [00:49:29] First you, you getthe foundation of the bad unrest or the, you know, that you plan the education,you know, you gotta get
[00:49:35] ColinStuckert: [00:49:35] the polarization,
[00:49:37] BrianSanders: [00:49:37] right. Then there's the crisis. And that, youknow what I mean? You have the crisis and then you have the solution. Andthere's also something called the Galean dialectic, which people can look upto.
[00:49:48] You have a lot of homework afterthis episode, but it talks about to what you have. To get to your desiredresult. You have the thesis, the antithesis, and then the synthesis of thosetwo, and then you get your result. So it's almost like the two party system. Ifyou have two parties against each other.
[00:50:05] It's part of the bigger picture,right? If you have two people hating each two groups of people split prettyequally the polarization, right. The polarization. But then, yeah. So not onlythe polarization, that's a divide and conquer type of thing. Why black livesmatter is a perfect example of polarization divide and conquer, get people tohate each other.
[00:50:23] And that it's funded by theseultra liberal people who are trying to gain from it. You know what I mean?Like, so. I'm not doing a good job of spitting it all out, but there's also alot that people need to Ellen. But once you kind of understand all theseconcepts of like how, like the Yuri Busby knob, the subversion techniques, andthat you want to do this and you want it.
[00:50:43] And then he realized that theultimate goal. Is supposedly good. Right? Well, the ultimate goal for these,you know, shadowy people are to keep their power to ha and then maybe, youknow, obviously they want wealth and power, but they also supposedly want forthe greater good or are they just like our Kings?
[00:51:00] [00:51:00] They just need torule the people. Right. So they can just say like, Hey, this is how we're goingto feed the world. We're going to add, we're going to one word government.We're going to have all this stuff. So I guess what I'm trying to say is thatit's some things aren't really conspiracy. They're laid out in public.
[00:51:15] And that it makes sense whythings are happening. Like if you look at why all this lockdown stuff doesn'tmake sense and why, you know, it's been so long and we're in California, we'reincreasing lockdown measures. It's like, we're in like month five. And nowwe're, they're trying to talk about goggles and wearing face masks and like,you know, blocking down why things don't make sense is because the strings arebeing pulled.
[00:51:37] So I think, you know what Imean, there is something going on that, that is leading to this thing wherethey're going to take away our freedoms.
[00:51:44] ColinStuckert: [00:51:44] I have, uh, okay. So let's take a, a completelydifferent reason. Why, so let's say you're like, Oh, I don't believe inconspiracy theories. They're all completely gone.
[00:51:53] This is how I also think aboutit. And I do think that there's a lot of truth to conspiracy theories, tocertain ones. Like, it's just like that idea. Like they say that every joke iskind of rooted in some kind of truth, even if it's like a pretty aggressivejoke. Right. Right. Exactly. And so I think of that.
[00:52:09] That's how I think aboutconspiracy theories. Like there's probably some truth here and there. And thena bunch of people probably connecting it and whatever. I actually like to calla lot of things, accidental conspiracy. So I've been saying this about the foodsystem, the pharmaceutical system, the government subsidies, and basically thesickness of America.
[00:52:24] I've been saying they'reaccidental conspiracies that are like, okay. After world war II, we have allthis money and power and we need, we need food. We [00:52:30] need to stock upfor, in case of world war three, we were literally afraid of world war three,right after world war II. People don't even know that. And so.
[00:52:35] We had to stock up food. Weneeded food processing. We needed, we needed to do all these things. So I thinkif you say, okay, no conspiracy theories, let's just look at human nature. Whatis it? Somebody that has some like power and wealth, what do they do? The firstthing they do is they make sure they don't lose their power and wealth.
[00:52:49] This is just like, one-on-oneright. This is why the first term of any president it's like he's spending the,what two years is trying to get reelected or whatever. Like the whole system isbroken. And then you look at Congress and you look at mayors and you look atanybody that has any kind of position of power that can be basically voted out.
[00:53:02] They're incentivized to dothings. That keep their job. That's the first thing, keep their power, right?Keep their influence. If you just look at all the systems we built and all theconsolidation of power and the different things, and you see how it's not veryentrepreneurial, we have people in power that don't have to take certain risks.
[00:53:18] They have certain protections.They don't have skin in the game and celeb says, I could see if you just mappedit on a long enough time scale, a hundred years, and how things haveprogressed. You could see things that come into play where maybe someone'sinfluencing from communism. Maybe some is trying to do good.
[00:53:31] And you just kind of like get acollective growing of these conspiracy theories to where. Yeah. There'sprobably are some billionaires that think they're doing good and they need tosave the world and they're probably influencing, but then even the systemsthemselves are broken, right? Like Joe Biden has been in Congress for, I think50 years, 40 years, like 73, I think, 50 years.
[00:53:51] How can you have changed whenyou've had somebody that's been in politics for 50 years? Like, it just doesn'tmake any sense to me. Like it just literally doesn't make any sense. We haveterms [00:54:00] limits for presidents. Why don't we have that for Congress?Like, it's just, it's crazy. Right? I think a lot of these things are like thesystems themselves and the putting power in human's hands.
[00:54:09] You're going to get issues likethis. And I think a lot of these have coalesced into accidental conspiracies.That probably become full blown conspiracies.
[00:54:18] BrentPhilbin: [00:54:18] It's pretty cyclical. If you look back inhistory, anytime the power and the wealth. Centralizes at a top point, societyrevolts and eventually
[00:54:28] ColinStuckert: [00:54:28] crumbles,
[00:54:28] BrentPhilbin: [00:54:28] actually, why there's a new protest every year,every month, they're in a different city, in a different country.
[00:54:35] There's something elsehappening. We we've got black lives matter a couple of months ago. It was theguys that wanted haircuts or whatever. I don't remember what they were called.The, the, the ones with the guns before that, you know, we have Venezuelabefore that we have Hong Kong. Right now we've got, um, Lebanon was goingthrough an uprising.
[00:54:50] We had the Arab spring in Egypt.Yeah. Where they lost the internet, same
[00:54:54] ColinStuckert: [00:54:54] things. These are all happening
[00:54:57] BrentPhilbin: [00:54:57] because of consolidation of centralized power
[00:55:00] ColinStuckert: [00:55:00] people in America. We have this Americanhubris. We think of hidden, never happen here, but guess what? We've beenthrough two world Wars. We've been through revenue, revolutionary war and acivil war.
[00:55:08] We've also engaged in war inother places. Right. We think it can't happen, but history doesn't just stop in2020 because we like, we have the internet. Like we figured it out. Like it'sincredible. It's just the ego of the American public. I think that's why a lotof this is happening. People are not afraid of losing their rights fully.
[00:55:23] They're not afraid of losingtheir way of life. They're not afraid of world war three of nuclear war.They're not afraid of the things that are actually out there every [00:55:30]single day. Because they're just like on their phone watching and listening tostupid shit. So
[00:55:37] BrianSanders: [00:55:37] you're definitely correct. This is what I'vealways thought and always said as well.
[00:55:41] And this is also what I've saidto my friends every time for a month, I've said the same thing to him. And hesaid, yes, I agree with you. I get it. That's yes. A lot of this stuff wouldhave happened anyway, but he said, this is what, if you knew what I knew. Ifyou, you see, if you studied enough, you see that this was part of the plan andthat you can gently push in that direction.
[00:56:02] And, and then it always goes inthat direction. We are headed down the direction. That's pretty unwavering. Andso that's how you know that. There's strings being pulled and it doesn't takemuch, but yes, you're completely correct. Cause everything he would say, I'd belike, well that would have a name or this is what or technology does this
[00:56:18] ColinStuckert: [00:56:18] history repeats itself.
[00:56:19] That's why, why? Because humannature doesn't change,
[00:56:22] BrianSanders: [00:56:22] but yes, but these people know how it works andthey have a goal and they have the money and, and it works so. Yeah, closingthoughts are, I don't know at all. And I maybe sounds like I'm some wackyconspiracy theorists, or you may kind of just be clued into what's going on inthe highest levels that there are, you have to admit that there's billionaire,trillionaire people out there.
[00:56:45] We know that this, some of thisstuff is very public. We know that there's been. Conspiracies that have beenproven true in the past is false flag operations and all, you know, all thesetypes of things that have in American history that are, you know, having in thepast. So just be [00:57:00] more aware, like I feel more at ease.
[00:57:02] My friend said I would waste mytime and it's not going to do any good to know all this. You feel at ease byjust knowing it like, like knowing, because I'm not fighting. I'm like beforeit was like, what is happening? Yeah. It was like, what is happening? Whyaren't we talking about people's health? Why aren't we telling people to stayhome and wear masks instead of go get healthy, eat good food, get outside, geton light, move.
[00:57:23] What? And now I'm like, okay,there's this bigger agenda? 21 is public knowledge. There's the WWII forum.comthat spells it out. That's only part of it. You know, this world that kind ofform is not the end all be all. That's just like one branch of this big thingthat's going on. So now I'm at peace and I'm not compelled to post all thiscrazy stuff or fight it because I know, um, I can't fight it, but I can just.
[00:57:46] Focus on my own health. I canfocus on making the food lies, film that maybe, you know, individuals canchange their dietary habits. It's not going to change the health of the world,but you know, maybe there'll be like a group of people that, I mean, every dayview will message me actually. Now that you know, I've been on social medialong enough, where people are like, Hey, I'm doing your thing and doing theSapient diet.
[00:58:07] It's completely changed my life.My parents are on it. My mom's on it. My son's on it.
[00:58:11] ColinStuckert: [00:58:11] Like it doesn't matter. Yeah. I get those two,like, uh, YouTube and just, or falling wall foods. Cause I think you have thatsimilar thing I struggle with sometimes where I feel like nobody's listening.You know, cause like you put the content out, you put the content out andyou're like, you don't see anybody doing anything and you think the world'sgetting sicker or worse or this or whatever, but it's not all people that watchyour content and your [00:58:30] content.
[00:58:30] But like, even if it's one in 10and you could save somebody's life, I guarantee you that you and I have, causesome have told me. Have saved some people's lives, maybe added 30 years oftheir life, just because they were going down the sad route, the standardAmerican diet route. And now they're eating more of a carnival base, real food,and they're, they're feeding their kid.
[00:58:47] Imagine just the effect you haveon kids. That's for me is a big thing. It's like kids grow up eating fruitroll-ups and semi-autos crunch and all this crap and pee. And the parents haveno idea that like, most parents don't even know why they should not feed their kidsthat food. Right. So like, for me, that's a big motivation for why I do it.
[00:59:02] BrianSanders: [00:59:02] yeah, that's my take home messages that therejust know that this is how human nature works. There's stuff going on beyondyour control, but control yourself. Yeah. That's it just couldn't make gooddecisions for herself
[00:59:12] ColinStuckert: [00:59:12] down to the individual, you know, takingpersonal responsibility. We would have protesting in the streets that everyone'stook responsible for their own life.
[00:59:17] Instead of trying to have somelaws written or some anti-racism training or like on the companies. Like I getit, like it's a hard place. You say something you're damn. You don't saysomething you're damned. I just refuse. I refuse. In fact, if I got fired frommy own company, because of what I've said, I wouldn't apologize.
[00:59:33] So, Brian, thanks for coming onthe show. What would you give people? Let's give them a couple of tips. Um,what are some things that people aren't really considering? It could be abouthealth. It could be about, I don't know, life, anything. You know, just, just acouple of rapid fire things they should do.
[00:59:45] BrianSanders: [00:59:45] Yeah.
[00:59:46] I think I said this on our firstpodcast, but like kind of motto is eat densely, move intensely. It's what theopposite of eat. Less, move more, eat, less, move more. It's just a recipe forbeing hungry. And it doesn't mean anything, but if you eat nutrient dense[01:00:00] foods and I love to do a short, intense workout.
[01:00:03] It's you know, like hit peoplekind of discovered it. It's like, Oh my God, you can sprint. And you can getcardiovascular benefits just from sprinting or doing a high
[01:00:11] ColinStuckert: [01:00:11] and like five minutes and then you're
[01:00:12] BrianSanders: [01:00:12] done. Yeah, exactly. That's what I do. I'm goingto sprint today for probably no, probably like 15 minutes.
[01:00:17] I do like some pretty hard, longsprints and I am dead. I feel like I'm going to, and I'm done and, or liftingweights. I'm not like a big weightlifter guy, like, you know, but I can use a40 pound weight vest and do pushups and dips and pushups and squats and, youknow, grab some dumbbells and throw them around and I'm done.
[01:00:34] So I think everyone should dothat. There's no excuse not to get on the sun. Vitamin D is so huge. I did afew podcasts and put out some stuff about that and about your immunity and how.People with, you know, good vitamin D status, do a lot better with diseases andCOVID
[01:00:48] ColinStuckert: [01:00:48] and all that. Everything, yes.
[01:00:49] People need to get outside. Sowhat I've been telling people now is you eat real food. So you're cooking athome, which should already be easy. Cause most people are staying home and youget outside in the sun for 30 minutes a day and you move in some way. Like ifpeople just did that, I think we would take some major percentage points offthe obesity crisis for
[01:01:05] BrianSanders: [01:01:05] sure.
[01:01:05] And this is what bill Maher,someone I don't watch. And you know, maybe people don't agree with them,especially in our little world. He had a great video. I put it online, go to myInstagram food dot lie. People
[01:01:17] ColinStuckert: [01:01:17] have been talking
[01:01:18] BrianSanders: [01:01:18] about that video, 130, 6,000 views. I just throwit up there like this guy, nails it with a message.
[01:01:25] So that's my advice. Go watchthat video called action. Mark kills that he's like, why aren't our [01:01:30]health officials talking about this? He said everything you just said. We couldhave done a lot of good things for your health and your immune system in thepast five months. If we just said this message.
[01:01:40] ColinStuckert: [01:01:40] Well, there'll be links to everything in theshow notes. Uh, Brian, thanks for coming on. And of course, if you want to doan impromptu podcast, anytime, let us know we'll hop on within a one minute.Notice. I love it. Okay. That's going to be it for us. Like subscribe, share,do all those things that you want.
[01:01:56] And then we'll see the next one,
[01:02:03] BrentPhilbin: [01:02:03] please. I always remember that the members ofthe ancestral mind podcast are not in fact medical professionals. They're notdoctors, they're not nutritionists. They are simply providing thisentertainment for you to do your own research and. To entertain yourselves. Soplease consult a physician before changing your diet.
[01:02:22] Not everything works foreverybody and make sure you always do your own research on everything you hearon this show and outside.